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BlackSephir · Sep 03, 2010, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by chuckles79

You know, as nice as heroes would be... I'm against it.
It would turn this from a MMORPG to just a MORPG (drop the multiplayer part.)

Maybe you should check if GW allowed or already allows players to
play with AI only.
Just a thought.

MithranArkanere · Sep 04, 2010, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Well, I always agreed with 7 hero teams after GW2 release.
I can perfectly see that happening after that.

I hope all he says is not just wishful thinking. Good ideas are nothing without being implemented.

Aljasha · Sep 04, 2010, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Lishy

Guild Wars is not, and was never, an MMO. It was marketed as an online rpg you can play with your friends, or the AI. Forcing people to play with others, who'd rather play alone, is stupid in a game like Guild Wars.

Many people play a lot of content alone in other mmos too. Sometimes it is just nice to play alone, sometimes not. Heroes are not the devil, stupid people and egoists are.

Missing HB · Sep 04, 2010, 05:18 PM // 17:18

What's quite illogical is that in PvP , which is almost completly dead during half a day , you unfortunately can't use heroes anymore ...

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 04, 2010, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by chuckles79

You know, as nice as heroes would be... I'm against it.
It would turn this from a MMORPG to just a MORPG (drop the multiplayer part.)

I DO think however, that they should add 7 heros as an occasional weekend special. Afterall, GvG weekends are a big snore for most people, and a majority of players are maxxing out their reputation titles (please don't stop them all together though!).

I think it would be a nice gift to casual players and people who have irregular work schedules.

Just a thought.

wow, well tbh, i dont see much multiplayer if you look for random help
if you want help nowadays, you need a very helpful guild with active alliances
or a bunch of very active and helpful friends who have done everything in gw, and like to help you

getting help in gw was easy 3 years ago, but now its very hard, alot of people have left and the ones still there, are preparing for gw2 (filling HoM)
after most people were done with anything in gw, they left

a game where you gotta search anywhere to get bit of help, which is: "find a guild, they can help." you couldn't call an MMO

most people are doing HoM stuff and prefer either solo (like raptor) or with hero/hench

just a few who join me in gw
you could say gw is "SFHORPG" Searching For Help Online RPG (Role Playing Game) because you really need to be lucky to find a guild where there are people to help or join with NM stuff, or easy stuff in HM....

the guilds i once liked because there were many people to join/help me all died
h/h are used alot lately, making the game have more heroes in 1 team wont destroy the multiplayer part anymore, it would have 3 years ago, or at the start, but now it wont/cant
it would actually make the game more alive again, as people who left may return to experience 7 heroes

people who wanna go alone will do so, even with no heroes they would use henchies anyway, and no players

people who wanna go with others will also try to get human party

Wish Swiftdeath · Sep 05, 2010, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

wow, well tbh, i dont see much multiplayer if you look for random help
if you want help nowadays, you need a very helpful guild with active alliances
or a bunch of very active and helpful friends who have done everything in gw, and like to help you

getting help in gw was easy 3 years ago, but now its very hard, alot of people have left and the ones still there, are preparing for gw2 (filling HoM)
after most people were done with anything in gw, they left

a game where you gotta search anywhere to get bit of help, which is: "find a guild, they can help." you couldn't call an MMO

most people are doing HoM stuff and prefer either solo (like raptor) or with hero/hench

just a few who join me in gw
you could say gw is "SFHORPG" Searching For Help Online RPG (Role Playing Game) because you really need to be lucky to find a guild where there are people to help or join with NM stuff, or easy stuff in HM....

the guilds i once liked because there were many people to join/help me all died
h/h are used alot lately, making the game have more heroes in 1 team wont destroy the multiplayer part anymore, it would have 3 years ago, or at the start, but now it wont/cant
it would actually make the game more alive again, as people who left may return to experience 7 heroes

people who wanna go alone will do so, even with no heroes they would use henchies anyway, and no players

people who wanna go with others will also try to get human party

I help people whenever I can and I enjoy it as long as they aren't jerks and listen to me and my suggestions while I also listen to theirs. As long as they're respectful I'm happy to play with others.

P.S. I already sent you a pm offering to do PvE stuff with you so you can't really say 'nobody wants to help'.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 05, 2010, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

I help people whenever I can and I enjoy it as long as they aren't jerks and listen to me and my suggestions while I also listen to theirs. As long as they're respectful I'm happy to play with others.

P.S. I already sent you a pm offering to do PvE stuff with you so you can't really say 'nobody wants to help'.

i didnt say noone helps, as i have a few ingame who do help, i just dont like to bother the same people "friends" alot with my stuff

i was talking in general with that post
as i said : "just a few who join me in gw" while i had alot more people who helped
aside from you and another person, who's on GWO forums, just 1 person is able to help right now, but also is busy with his guild alot
i had more friends who could help, but they left gw

so plz dont feel offended
i didnt ignore you

Spiritz · Sep 05, 2010, 11:50 AM // 11:50

Adding more heros to party may or may not be good.
Players who choose to play "solo" with heros may like it - through their own choice they prefer not having others.But this also has issues - new op hero builds would arise which may also get people playing solo - " why take someone else when you have what you need infront of you ? "
Some instances - say war in kryta for eg where you do nm and the hench are low level more heros are a good bonus.
Im on the line here as it doesnt really matter to me which way - i play with h/h at times for fun and other times i go with guildies but i will say if it does happen then im happy there will be new a breed of team builds that could arise.Pvxwiki would get new builds ( sadly pvx it seems is in demise , once it held a wealth of builds and now its a shadow of its former self which is a shame. ) which in the old days if a new player wanted to biew a range of builds they would be sent to pvx to have a look - last new player i sent came back and wasnt impressed and wondered if i had the site wrong.

Improvavel · Sep 05, 2010, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Cuilan

I'd rather see henchman AI and skillbars improved. Hard mode is pretty easy (too easy) unless in an elite area or similar. People will just merge disco and spiritway anyway.

Curious.

I always play with another player and so we have the opportunity to bring spiritway+discord.

I don't remember the last time we used it.

My main dislikes are the utter stupidity of melee hench/hero AI and the lack of skills like whirlwind attack/gdw/summon spirits/aura of holy might and the like. Those skills are almost default in any human player bar using the proper profession.

NerfHerder · Sep 05, 2010, 08:06 PM // 20:06

The more I think about it, I dont see how any 1 player 7 hero team build could possibly out perform 2 players and 6 heros. I need to see some really solid theorycrafting in order to change my mind.

Spiritway and Discordway is mentioned because they are currently meta. But, Discordway is(majority of cases) most effective when you have at least 6 necros spamming discord. Something you cant do by yourself and 7 heros. IMO, Spiritway would be paired better with Physicalway, Sabway, Mesmerway, or even Racway. Sure, Spirit + Disco is effective enough for most things you need to do in game. Still... you would have an advantage if you had another player for that due to PvE skills and rational thinking of a human player.

Keep in mind, we can already use 1 player and 6 heros(kind of). I cant count the times someone has asked me(or i have asked someone else) to borrow 3 heros so they could finish a vanquish no one else needs atm. All you do is zone in with your heros, leave the instance, and your heros stay with the other player. Aside from not being able to micro them, how much of an advantage would one more hero give you?

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 05, 2010, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by NerfHerder

The more I think about it, I dont see how any 1 player 7 hero team build could possibly out perform 2 players and 6 heros. I need to see some really solid theorycrafting in order to change my mind.

Spiritway and Discordway is mentioned because they are currently meta. But, Discordway is(majority of cases) most effective when you have at least 6 necros spamming discord. Something you cant do by yourself and 7 heros. IMO, Spiritway would be paired better with Physicalway, Sabway, Mesmerway, or even Racway. Sure, Spirit + Disco is effective enough for most things you need to do in game. Still... you would have an advantage if you had another player for that due to PvE skills and rational thinking of a human player.

Keep in mind, we can already use 1 player and 6 heros(kind of). I cant count the times someone has asked me(or i have asked someone else) to borrow 3 heros so they could finish a vanquish no one else needs atm. All you do is zone in with your heros, leave the instance, and your heros stay with the other player. Aside from not being able to micro them, how much of an advantage would one more hero give you?

sometimes you cant get someone's heroes as everyone is busy (which is happening most of the times lately.... for me, that is)
and 1 more hero can make a big difference

then some areas cant be reached with 6 heroes when 1 leaves, like where rotscale is and other of those areas

and then i doubt anyone can help when i'm vq-ing a campaign, just to give heroes over and over again, unless they are bored, but then they better join

Quote:

Originally Posted by Improvavel

Curious.

I always play with another player and so we have the opportunity to bring spiritway+discord.

I don't remember the last time we used it.

My main dislikes are the utter stupidity of melee hench/hero AI and the lack of skills like whirlwind attack/gdw/summon spirits/aura of holy might and the like. Those skills are almost default in any human player bar using the proper profession.

i rather not use melee heroes, although i like to try to make good ones
and yea, discord + spiritway wont be able to do just anything, which is why i wont use them all the time.... even though i never used spiritway, with discord i survive alot more than with sabway, thats good enough for me

and yes, pve-only skills cant be used, so it wont overpower teams... with enough balancing it wont

7 own heroes wont make everything too easy, unless someone is too good already
it will make playing the game some easier, and gives us more to try, like builds, and combo's of profs

and for the ones who sux at builds for heroes, they can use henchies
i'm not a very good build maker, but i got discord from someone, and it works better... just not good enough to help me out

so even though i'm not good at making builds, i still can try stuff with 7 of my heroes, and since its limited with professions, it cant get overpowered

a team with 2 players can be overpowered... or stronger than heroes only, as for the pve skills and the tactics of battles

so many reasons to have full hero teams as an option, anet has to think about it right now, and maybe they are..... or not

ps. john fired already? (joke) (as he made this subject so active)

Wish Swiftdeath · Sep 06, 2010, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Ayuhmii Shanbwa

i didnt say noone helps, as i have a few ingame who do help, i just dont like to bother the same people "friends" alot with my stuff

i was talking in general with that post
as i said : "just a few who join me in gw" while i had alot more people who helped
aside from you and another person, who's on GWO forums, just 1 person is able to help right now, but also is busy with his guild alot
i had more friends who could help, but they left gw

so plz dont feel offended
i didnt ignore you

I'm not offended :P, it's just a game but I did offer so saying people in this game don't help I found a bit odd. I'm not really on that much anymore since the summer's over and i'm back at college.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 06, 2010, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

I'm not offended :P, it's just a game but I did offer so saying people in this game don't help I found a bit odd. I'm not really on that much anymore since the summer's over and i'm back at college.

not much people ingame helps anymore, its "not much" because "most people" are either busy or left the game

dont worry, i'm only trying to make my point, nothing else

anyway, i'm going to get nicholas his stuff every week, if its easy enough and chat a bit with others

good luck with college

EDIT: (as noone talked anymore)

example why its needed (yep, you'll see why):

people asking others to show stones and shards and such to make people look good enough to join
it's in the stone topic

funny word

the community in gw (ingame, and not all people) asks for people to join who are able to do elite areas, sry, but this game is dying even faster after that idiotic idea

non-"elite players" will leave sooner with this and the freaks or so called "elite people" will be in elite places only, but without non-"elite players" there is no elitism

i'm gonna hate that word someday..... stupid people who made themselves thi9nking they are worth more just cuz they can do stuff in no time... thx to someone who made some builds (which in most cases arent the runners)

if people copy and use some builds to be better than anyone else (what they think) and ask for people who can do areas like fow and uw, why not full hero party for the rest of the people?

sry, i kinda am gonna hate the majority of gw soon (as the good ones leave/left)
let me enjoy the game with heroes to avoid meeting up with those idiots (sry for this offensive part, if it is)

Aba · Sep 10, 2010, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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let me enjoy the game with heroes to avoid meeting up with those idiots (sry for this offensive part, if it is)

Fine with us, just use your heros you got now.
Why make the game you clearly like and others do as well, by making it even more dumb'd down and simple.
The heros we have now clearly can beat PvE with ease, so why need more heros?
To speed it up!?!?!? gimme a break

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 10, 2010, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Aba

Fine with us, just use your heros you got now.
Why make the game you clearly like and others do as well, by making it even more dumb'd down and simple.
The heros we have now clearly can beat PvE with ease, so why need more heros?
To speed it up!?!?!? gimme a break

heroes dont beat pve or anything, but the pvx builds do, and a few non-copied builds
try and make some own builds without pvx or anything like it
just a few who can do/do that

i meant "let me enjoy the game with 7 heroes to avoid meeting up with those idiots (sry for this offensive part, if it is)"

so that i dont need to join any rediculous pugs

why 7 heroes?
i don't like the current community, cuz:
- people MUST use certain builds (pvx builds)
- people MUST be very good
- people MUST have certain items
- people MUST have Hard Mode unlocked

and much more reasons to be able to join a pug

reason enough for 7 hero teams

also gw is dying, but thats cuz they get bored of doing the same
getting more heroes will give us another few things to do

EDIT:

1 more thing, if they dont like 7 heroes in uw/fow/doa, let em disable heroes there, simple solution

Tullzinski · Sep 10, 2010, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Another reason for 7 heroes is the fun we can have putting all kinds of crazy crap on them. 7 heroes with flare only just for the hell of it to see if they can actually kill anything with that. Or whatever our sick little minds can come up with.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 10, 2010, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Another reason for 7 heroes is the fun we can have putting all kinds of crazy crap on them. 7 heroes with flare only just for the hell of it to see if they can actually kill anything with that. Or whatever our sick little minds can come up with.

i take you joke about the example, but something like that could be fun
just use the weirdest skills/builds and see how they work out, maybe you make something very good

and yes, having fun with more heroes' builds in 1 team will make people happy too, but i think that reason has been said a few times already

making builds from scratch is what i'd do after i got used to 7 heroes, and after i tried other stuff with my team full of heroes
like for example.... beastmaster heroes, and see what i can do to make em more powerful with em

i'm prepared for 7 heroes already, making builds for all profs will be lots of fun

it at least will be more enjoyable than the current game with its current community, which has just a few who help, join or show something fun/nice/cool/effective, and the rest are farming and solo-ing non-stop

the only farm i do when its not hard, is nicholas the traveler

so arenanet, will you make most of us who still didnt leave gw yet happy, or will you let us bore to death with the stuff we have now, not counting the weekend and year events (double points or drops/halloween and wintersday)

unless of course they give us same hats and such from now on, but there still are nice wintersday quests

Aba · Sep 10, 2010, 08:11 PM // 20:11

All people asking for 7 Heros
PvE has the ability for 3already with Ability to add henchies.
I've yet to see Any decent argument as too why u need a full
Hero bar.
So you don't hafta PUG? There's no
Problem with it right now....how would 7heros help?
You already have henchies to toss on.
Now lemme guess your gonna say henchies suck....
Well sorry but everyone else can use Em in PvE with no problem.
So why?aside from making everything easy as hell for you
Do you need 7 heros.
Just seems more of vanity thing for people to me.
Please stop dumb'n Guildwars down Anet

Wish Swiftdeath · Sep 10, 2010, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Aba

All people asking for 7 Heros
PvE has the ability for 3already with Ability to add henchies.
I've yet to see Any decent argument as too why u need a full
Hero bar.
So you don't hafta PUG? There's no
Problem with it right now....how would 7heros help?
You already have henchies to toss on.
Now lemme guess your gonna say henchies suck....
Well sorry but everyone else can use Em in PvE with no problem.
So why?aside from making everything easy as hell for you
Do you need 7 heros.
Just seems more of vanity thing for people to me.
Please stop dumb'n Guildwars down Anet

7 heroes because it would be more fun and the game is dead/dying already?

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Sep 10, 2010, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aba

All people asking for 7 Heros
PvE has the ability for 3already with Ability to add henchies.
I've yet to see Any decent argument as too why u need a full
Hero bar.
So you don't hafta PUG? There's no
Problem with it right now....how would 7heros help?
You already have henchies to toss on.
Now lemme guess your gonna say henchies suck....
Well sorry but everyone else can use Em in PvE with no problem.
So why?aside from making everything easy as hell for you
Do you need 7 heros.
Just seems more of vanity thing for people to me.
Please stop dumb'n Guildwars down Anet

re-read the whole topic and see MUCH more reasons -_-

i give you 1 important one:

having fun making the builds

the game is dying slowly, and can die faster anyday, before it does, let em give us that, so that we have more fun

you gotta read the whole thing before posting, or do you read a few words of every post? hope not

oh, and another reason as bonus: as most people want it, like keeping the game alive as far as possible